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Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Jun 1997 to 9 Jun
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There are 6 messages totalling 193 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. strange things afoot with midi...
  2. truncation (2)
  3. copy protection(2) (2)
  4. MAX Digest - 7 Jun 1997

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Date:    Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:00:47 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: strange things afoot with midi...

Peter Nyboer  writes:

>I have a Pmac 7100/80, 24Megs, system 7.5.5, running Max 3.5, and OMS
>2.3.1.  I was doing some simple recording with it the other day (with
>detonate) and I noticed that sometimes I would hit Play, and nothing would
>come out.  I clicked on the desktop to go to the finder, then clicked on
>the Max window to return.  Midi then proceeded to come out.

This sounds vaguely like an issue with the OMS MIDI Setup's "Run MIDI
In Background" -- try reversing whatever setting it's on now and see
if that makes any difference. Also, with problems like these, I always
go to the simplest Max patch, like a metro playing the same note
over and over again. Admittedly, OMS receives a lot more testing than
detonate.

David Z.

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Date:    Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:52:49 +0000
From:    Ciaran Maher 
Subject: truncation

Hi.

I'm relatively new to MAX (completely new to the list), and I've only got
access to 2.5.2, but I'm hoping someone here can help me with a sync
problem.

I'm running a loop which resets the 'metro' speed on each bang to the
result of and 'expr'. My problem is that the 'expr' result is a 'f ' which
is truncated by 'metro' to miliseconds even when the decimal 5 or greater.

At least I hope that's what my problem is. The alternative seems to be that
I'm asking too much of  the prog to make the calculations in real time, and
that'll mean I'll have to make lists/arrays ...

Can anyone set me straight?

Ciaran.

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Ciaran Maher

Dartington College of Arts
Totnes
Devon TQ9 6EJ
England

fax +1803 862724

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Date:    Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:15:00 BST-1
From:    Ian Waugh 
Subject: Re: copy protection(2)

> From:    Peter Nyboer 
> Subject: Re: copy protection
>
> >>And about the copy protection.  Has anyone tried making the
> >>copy-protection/authorization file visible (one can use Norton Disk
> >>Editor), then storing on an external disk, then deauthorizing the
> install,
> >>putting that stored copy back on the hard disk, and seeing if Max
> becomes
> >>magically authorized?
> >
> >It's the obvious thing to try, which means it won't work. I can think
> of a
> >thousand reasons why not, to do with all the paranoid disk file
> position
> >and timestamp hashing that goes on. The numerous ways I've lost
> >installations prove this.

There's the KDT system which, I believe, is well-known in the USA. But the
Pace system apparently checks your HD and if it finds any KDT files it
promptly commits hari kari! Interesting concept - software which tells you
what other software you can and cannot have on your machine... The latest
version of KDT is supposed to get around this detection procedure.

The early KDT worked by creating a bitmap of your HD on another drive.
You'd de-install the CP and reinstall the bitmap. You could do the same
thing with any good disk editor, but I haven't tried it... KDT has been
updated a few times since and I don't know what the current state of play
is. You can check the Web site: http://www.urshan.com/sum.

Cheers,
Ian

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Date:    Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:23:07 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: truncation

>I'm running a loop which resets the 'metro' speed on each bang to the
>result of and 'expr'. My problem is that the 'expr' result is a 'f ' which
>is truncated by 'metro' to miliseconds even when the decimal 5 or greater.

I'm not sure what you're after: if metro is truncating rather than rounding
then just add 0.5 to the float. If yu're after tighter timing than
milliseconds then you're out of luck. Even millisecond timing is optimistic.

>Dartington College of Arts
>Totnes
>Devon TQ9 6EJ
>England

Ah. Cool place. I must go there sometime. Btw, would I be able to buy Kaffe
Matthew's album from your institution?

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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Date:    Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:44:07 -0700
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 7 Jun 1997

        Reply to:   RE>MAX Digest - 7 Jun 1997 to 8 Jun 1997

Date:    Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:56:49 +0100
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: strange things afoot with midi...

>Has anyone ever had the problem of satan or perhaps a lesser demon >enter
the
computer and curse it with intermittentent or illogical >happenings?

Make sure that AppleTalk is OFF. I have to run Chooser at start-up to
explicitly turn AppleTalk off, otherwise, it comes on all by itself and my
event list program stops reliably reading SMPTE. It is reactivated by
clicking
to Finder and then back to the program window to "wake it up", as you
describe, but, by then it has missed a cue or dropped sync.
It is a lesser daemon on the same party line (port).

steve anderson

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Date:    Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:28:25 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: copy protection(2)

>There's the KDT system which, I believe, is well-known in the USA. But the
>Pace system apparently checks your HD and if it finds any KDT files it
>promptly commits hari kari! Interesting concept - software which tells you
>what other software you can and cannot have on your machine...

I find this fascinating, if true, and certainly grounds for
compensation/refund on any software whose CP scheme does this.

>KDT has been
>updated a few times since and I don't know what the current state of play
>is. You can check the Web site: http://www.urshan.com/sum.

Of course, it's because of Urshan that we're all suffering. Every time one
or other side makes an advance in this arms race, the CP is made more
paranoid and breaks in ever more innocent circumstances for ever more users.

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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