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Subject: MAX Digest - 15 May 1997 to 16 May
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There are 7 messages totalling 413 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Is it possible to sell your standalone Max stuff? (2)
  2. phonemes
  3. Phonemes / speak / native?
  4. ICCIMA'98 Second Call for Papers (fwd)
  5. Central Resource List ?
  6. Demo

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Date:    Fri, 16 May 1997 00:28:52 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Is it possible to sell your standalone Max stuff?

Stephen Kay  writes:

>However, don't get all excited about it being the perfect development
>platform.  Maybe for very small simple applications, but MAX is bloated
>(consider that 100 "+" objects replicate that same code 100 times, where
>in a coded application it might be a single function call).

I would say this differently. + is still one function call in Max. However,
the data for each + object is replicated 100 times. What Stephen might
really want to say is that if you think of a subpatcher as a function,
then 100 subpatchers takes up 100 times as much memory as one
of them. But the subpatchers are storing internal state too,
something that function calls don't do. In any case, the actual
C code that executes for any Max object exists in only one
place.

And yes, you can sell your Max-based standalone application, but you
can't give away MAXplay. Although the legal consequences of
doing so are not going to be immense.

David Z.

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Date:    Fri, 16 May 1997 10:06:19 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Is it possible to sell your standalone Max stuff?

>I would say this differently. + is still one function call in Max. However,
>the data for each + object is replicated 100 times. What Stephen might
>really want to say is that if you think of a subpatcher as a function,
>then 100 subpatchers takes up 100 times as much memory as one
>of them. But the subpatchers are storing internal state too,
>something that function calls don't do.

True, but objects do in C++ and its hell-spawned brethren.

Perhaps part of the issue/problem is that replication is easy in
conventional languages but not in MAX.

>And yes, you can sell your Max-based standalone application, but you
>can't give away MAXplay. Although the legal consequences of
>doing so are not going to be immense.

Is there a good (i.e. not lawyer-penned) reason for this? Since, as Stephen
points out, standalone MAX applications have such a large disk and RAM
footprint, and each one carries the MAX runtime with it and has its own
memory partition, it would be much more conducive to the spread and
adoption of MAX collectives if people could run several of them in a single
application, for which MAXplay is ideal. (The situation now is like people
passing around Mac applications with an encapsulated copy of System 7
running in each one.)

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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Date:    Fri, 16 May 1997 08:44:48 +0200
From:    "Dr. K@rlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: phonemes

Stephen Kay asked for the

> address, please?

of the TIMIT database. I forgot it, but a net search should help.

Best,

Dr. K@rlheinz Essl
SAMT - Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
Bruckner-Konservatorium Linz / Austria
www:   http://www.ping.at/users/essl/index.html

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     Visit the MindShipMind - an interactive multimedial Web Oracle
          http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/mindshipmind.html
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Date:    Fri, 16 May 1997 12:43:30 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: Phonemes / speak / native?

Karlheinz Essl writes:

>Does anybody know about a native version of a MAX speaker object? At the
>moment all existing externals (talk, speak, ispeak) are only 68k-coded, and
>won't run with the native version of MAX3.5!
>
>Richard Dudas was nice enough trying to recode Michael Klingbeil's "speak",
>but he did not succeed yet...

I sucessfully ported the code to codewarrior and compiled the object as a
FAT object.
The 68k part works as before.  However, the PPC part crashes when you try
to make it speak.

I was given a possible solution to this problem by ichi:

>alignment -- some structure returned by os needs to be aligned as '68k'
even
>if the code is for ppc

but I have not had the time to play with it.

If anyone has the time and savvy to make the PPC part of the FAT object
work, I can give him/her the CodeWarrior Project as it stands (this will
save a lot of time).  The only thing I ask is that the object and code both
go into the public domain as Michael Klingbeil did with his original
version of the object.

-Richard

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Date:    Fri, 16 May 1997 09:36:45 -0700
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: ICCIMA'98 Second Call for Papers (fwd)

Forwarded message:
> Hi,
> The following call for papers may be interesting to the readers of
> 
> Could you please post it to the list.
> Regards,
> /Henry Selvaraj
>
>
>                                          ICCIMA'98
>
>          International Conference on Computational Intelligence and
>                 Multimedia Applications  9-11 February 1998
>
>           Monash University, Gippsland Campus, Churchill, Australia
>
>
>                   S E C O N D     C A L L      F O R     P A P E R S
>
>       The International Conference on Computational Intelligence and
>   Multimedia Applications will be held at Monash University on 9-11
>   February 1998. The conference will provide an international forum
>   for discussion on issues in the areas of Computational Intelligence
>   and Multimedia for scientists, engineers, researchers and
>   practitioners.
>
>       The conference will include sessions on theory, implementation
>   and applications, as well as the non-technical areas of challenges in
>   education and technology transfer to industry. There will be both
>   oral and poster sessions.  Accepted full papers will be included in
>   the proceedings  to be published by World Scientific. Several
>   well-known keynote speakers will address the conference.
>
>   Conference Topics Include (but not limited to):
>     Artificial Intelligence
>     Artificial Neural Networks
>     Artificial Intelligence and Logic Synthesis
>     Functional decomposition
>     Pattern Recognition
>     Fuzzy Systems
>     Genetic Algorithms
>     Intelligent Control
>     Intelligent Databases
>     Knowledge-based Engineering
>     Learning Algorithms
>     Memory, Storage and Retrieval
>     Multimedia Systems
>     Formal Models for Multimedia
>     Interactive Multimedia
>     Multimedia and Virtual Reality
>     Multimedia and Telecommunications
>     Multimedia Information Retrieval
>
>   Special Sessions:
>
>     Artificial Intelligence and Logic Synthesis: intelligent
>   algorithms for logic synthesis; functional decomposition
>   in machine learning, pattern recognition, knowledge discovery
>   and logic synthesis;evolutionary and reconfigurable computing
>   with FPGAs. Chair: Lech  Jozwiak, Eindhoven University,
>   Netherlands.
>
>     Multimedia Information Retrieval: segmentation of audio, image and
>   video; feature extraction and representation; semi-automatic text
>   annotation techniques; indexing structure; query model and retrieval
>   methods; feature similarity measurement; system integration issues;
>   prototype systems and applications.  Chair: Guojun Lu, Monash
>   University, Australia.
>
>   Pre-Conference Workshops and Tutorial:
>   Proposals for pre-conference workshops and tutorials relevant to the
>   conference topics are invited. These are to be held on Saturday 7th
>   February and Sunday 8th February at the conference venue. People
>   wishing to organise such workshops or tutorials are invited to
>   submit a proposal at the same time as submission deadline for
>   papers. The accepted proposals will be advertised.
>
>
>   Special Poster Session:
>
>   ICCIMA'98 will include a special poster session devoted to recent
>   work and work-in-progress. Abstracts are solicited for this session
>   (2 page limit) in camera ready form, and may be submitted up to 30
>   days before the conference date. They will not be refereed and will
>   not be included in the proceedings, but will be distributed to
>   attendees upon arrival. Students are especially encouraged to submit
>   abstracts for this session.
>
>
>   Invited Sessions
>
>   Keynote speakers (key industrialists, chief research
>   scientists and leading academics) will be addressing
>   the main issues of the conference.
>
>   Important Dates:
>
>   Submission of papers received latest on:  7 July  97
>
>   Notification of acceptance:  19 September 97
>
>   Camera ready papers  & registration received by:  24 October  97
>
>
>   Submission of Papers
>
>   Papers in English reporting original and unpublished research
>   results and experience are solicited. Electronic submission of
>   papers via e-mail in postscript or Microsoft Word for Windows format
>   directly to the General Chair are acceptable and encouraged for the
>   refereeing process. If not submitting an electronic version, please
>   submit three hard copy originals to the General Chair. Papers for
>   refereeing purposes must be received at the ICCIMA 98 secretariat
>   latest by 7 July 1997. Notification of acceptance will be mailed by
>   19 September 1997.
>
>   Page Limits
>
>   Papers for refereeing should be double-spaced and must include an
>   abstract of 100-150 words with up to six keywords.
>
>   The accepted papers will need to be received at the ICCIMA 98
>   secretariat by 24 October 1997 in camera ready format.  A final
>   preparation format for the camera-ready papers will be provided upon
>   notification of acceptance. Camera ready papers exceeding 6 pages
>   (including abstract, all text, figures, tables and references etc.)
>   will be charged an extra fee per page in excess to the normal
>   registration.
>
>   Evaluation Process
>
>   All submissions will be refereed based on the following criteria by
>   two reviewers with appropriate background.
>
>       originality
>       significance
>       contribution to the area of research
>       technical quality
>       relevance to ICCIMA 98 topics
>       clarity of presentation
>
>   Referees  report will be provided to all authors.
>
>   Check List
>
>   Prospective authors should check that the following items are
>   attached and guidelines followed while submitting the papers for
>   refereeing purpose.
>
>       * The paper and its title page should not contain the name(s) of
>         the author(s), or their affiliation
>
>       * The paper should have attached a covering page containing
>         the following information:
>           -title of the paper
>           -author name(s), Affiliation, mail and e-mail addresses,
>           phone
>            and fax numbers
>           -Conference topic area
>           -up to six keywords
>
>       * The name, e-mail, phone, fax and postal address of the contact
>         person should be attached to the submission
>
>
>   Visits and Social Events
>
>   Industrial and sight seeing visits will be arranged for
>   the delegates and guests. A separate program will be
>   arranged for companions during the conference.
>
>
>   General Chair:
>
>   Henry Selvaraj
>   Gippsland School of Computing
>   & Information Technology
>   Monash University,
>   Churchill, VIC, Australia 3842
>   Henry.Selvaraj@fcit.monash.edu.au
>   Phone: +61 3 9902 6665
>   Fax: +61 3 9902 6842
>
>
>
>   International Programme Committee:
>
>   Abdul Sattar, Griffith University, Australia
>   Andre de Carvalho, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil
>   Bob Bignall, Monash University, Australia
>   Brijesh Verma, Griffith University, Australia (Programme Chair)
>   Dinesh Patel, Surrey University, UK Henry Selvaraj, Monash
>   University, Australia Hyunsoo Lee, University of Yonsei, Korea Jan
>   Mulawka, Warsaw University of Technology, Poland Jong-Hwan Kim,
>   Korea Advanced Institute of Science & Technology, Korea Lech
>   Jozwiak, Eindhoven Univ. of Tech, Netherlands Margaret
>   Marek-Sadowska, University of California, USA Marek Perkowski,
>   Portland State University, USA Michael Bove, MIT Media Laboratory,
>   USA Mikio Takagi, University of Tokyo, Japan Nagarajan Ramesh,Tencor
>   Instruments, USA Ramana Reddy, West Virginia University, USA Regu
>   Subramanian, Nanyang Tech University, Singapore Sargur Srihari,
>   State University of New York, USA Shyam Kapur, James Cook
>   University, Australia Sourav Kundu, Kanazawa University, Japan S.
>   Srinivasan, IIT, Madras, India Subhash Wadhwa, IIT, Delhi, India
>   Tadeusz Luba, Warsaw University of Technology, Poland Vishy Karri,
>   University of Tasmania, Australia Xin Yao, University of New South
>   Wales, Australia
>
>
>   International Liaison
>   Asian Liaison:
>   Regu Subramanian, Network Technology Research
>   Centre, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore
>
>   U.S. Liaison:
>   Marek Perkowski, Portland State University, USA
>
>   European Liaison:
>   Tadeusz Luba, Warsaw University of Technology,
>   Poland
>
>
>   Organising Committee:
>
>   Bob Bignall,  Monash University, Australia
>   Baikunth Nath, Monash University, Australia
>   Vishy Karri, University of  Tasmania, Australia
>   Syed M. Rahman, Monash University, Australia
>   Bala Srinivasan, Monash University,Australia
>   Cheryl Brickell, Monash University, Australia
>   Andy Flitman, Monash University, Australia
>   Lindsay Smith, Monash University, Australia
>
>     Further Information:
>
>     Conference Email :
>                   iccima98@fcit.monash.edu.au
>     Conference WWW Page:
>                   http://www-gscit.fcit.monash.edu.au/~iccima98
>
>

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Date:    Sat, 17 May 1997 01:00:21 +0100
From:    "K-) Peter" 
Subject: Central Resource List ?

>My apologies to K-) Peter for leading him astray and then blaming the
>victim.
>
>David Z.
That's OK because I am very stupid even with the correct info ;-)

        Is there already a thorough single list of what optional Max
objects are available, what they do, where and contact details, and
licensing and how much (i.e. freeware/shareware).
        I would be happy to compile a link page for all this but I'd
need the raw info first. Does anyone else think it's a good idea or has
it already been done and I've missed it ? (Also bear in mind that I only
have 3.0 and so haven't seen the 3.5 demos and literature yet.)
        K-)
        Peter.

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Date:    Fri, 16 May 1997 20:09:12 -0800
From:    "Sanders, Arlen" 
Subject: Demo

Hello!

I need to do a project and I think MAX may be the way to go.  Is there
a demo or a book about Max that I could review to be sure?

Thanks

Arlen Sanders

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