5/10/97 11:00 PM
Subject: MAX Digest - 9 May 1997 to 10 May
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There are 5 messages totalling 142 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. preset problems
  2. Mac menus
  3. Efficiency
  4. any AOL users?
  5. Photocells?


Date:    Sat, 10 May 1997 00:30:34 +0100
From:    Terry Nigrelli 
Subject: preset problems

From:    Nick Rothwell 
> Subject: Re: preset problems
> >These are among the few limitations of the preset object. As Steven Kay
> >informed me some time ago, if you use the preset object to save object
> >values then add objects to your patcher you will lose all your presets.
> This didn't use to be the case, way back in MAX 2.x, but is certainly the
> case now. I thought presets were supposed to be relatively intelligent
> it comes to rearrangement of the objects whose state they hold.
>          Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects

The preset object usually handles rearranging objects. The problems
when you add new objects to a patch which contains saved presets.
At least that's when I run into problems.

The coll object isn't pretty but it's bulletproof.
Altough when you use it the way Steven Kay described it makes your
patcher huge.
Each object which had data you want saved requires at least its own
Steven, is there a way to economize the object to coll to grab and
return setup?
Maybe with a list from a coll going into a grab out to a spray out to
several objects?

Terry Nigrelli
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Date:    Fri, 9 May 1997 23:01:11 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Mac menus

"K-) Peter"  writes:

>        What are the numbers to exclude any of the other menu objects
>too ? I've already excluded the max menu bar on collection, but one
>still says Max in it :-(

The feature to exclude the Max window menu item is a feature of
standalone applications. You set it in the application installer
dialog, so you have to build an application in order to (not)
see the result. I already said this in response to your last
message, by the way.

David Z.


Date:    Fri, 9 May 1997 23:28:26 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Efficiency

"K-) Peter"  writes:

>1) Can I assume that the less objects the better even if they are more
>complex ? Where is this list of object efficiency glossed over in the
>two pages ?

Can I assume you mean "the fewer objects the better"? In any case,
150+ Max objects do so many different things, it's not reasonable to
expect some kind of comparative measure of the efficiency of every
message to every object. In my years of dealing with Max, I've
observed that most ways of doing something are roughly equivalent,
and if a patcher is too slow, it probably needs to be rewritten
in C or executed on a faster processor, whichever you can afford.

>3) What happens about execution order (right to left) in a sub patcher
>compared to the main ? Presumably it follows a leg even down in to
>SEVERAL sub patchers before going left back in the main ? And what
>happens if it has display objects in the main ?

Here's a hint. Enable "Trace" and watch what happens when you execute
something that descends into a subpatcher.

>4) Can I safely use a menu to display 300 objects rather than having to
>deliver them myself 10 at a time as required ?

Do you mean 300 "items"--if so, the only limitation of the menu object is
that the dialog box for entering the items is limited to 32K of text.
In general, a pop-up menu with 300 items is rather user-hostile.
You might consider using Roland Hemming's omenu object instead.

>5) Which is the most cpu efficent array object type ?

There's only one that's really an array, which is table.

David Z.


Date:    Sat, 10 May 1997 12:02:25 -0700
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: any AOL users?

Greetings Maxers,

A strange thing has been happening. It seems that all of the subscribers
with AOL accounts aren't getting their digest. I have been getting 20 or
so bouncing back each day. If there are any AOL users who are getting this
message through their AOL account please send me mail.


Christopher Murtagh

(I've moved out west for the summer and I'm still waiting for my Mac to
get here -using a crappy PC- when it does I'll get on to this.)


Date:    Sat, 10 May 1997 19:01:15 -0400
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: Photocells?

I'm thinking about playing around with using photocells as additional
triggers for my DrumKat. I have THE BEAM but I want more. Could someone
send me a basic how to on creating a light sensitive trigger?
Please keep in mind,
1) I'm not an electronics technician of this nature (in other words I'm
a dummy in this area) and
2) I'm only willing to go as far as the local Le Shack (Radio Shack).
PS I'm probably setting a June 1st deadline on the Max guide.


End of MAX Digest - 9 May 1997 to 10 May 1997