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There are 13 messages totalling 529 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. PCI Serial Port Cards
  2. timeline bugs
  3. 68K vs. PPC
  4. Libswitch problem in 3.5.1 (2)
  5.  (2)
  6. PPC version of the prog object?
  7. Reset port - Forget port
  8. Central Florida Max Users
  9. MAX Digest - 20 Apr 1997
 10. PPC upgrade for PwrBk 520
 11. Listserv renewal

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:42:36 +0100
From:    Terry Nigrelli 
Subject: PCI Serial Port Cards

>
> Date:    Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:34:38 -0300
> From:    Alex Noyes 
> Subject: PCI Serial Port Cards
>
> I have a feeling this was recently discussed here, but I was temporarily
> unsubcribed and lost the info. Does anyone know of any serial cards for
> PCI based macs? Is anyone using one? I'm hard at work modifying an
> installation that needs to control 2 Laserdisc players, 1 Video
> switcher, and mucho MIDI. I was using a quadralink card, but now need to
> switch to PPC/PCI.
>
> Alex

Alex,

This web site has a list of PCI cards for Macintosh computers.
There are four or five manufacturers who make multi serial port
cards listed. I do not have experience using them.

http://msproul.rutgers.edu/macintosh/PCIcards.html

Terry Nigrelli
--
my home page: http://home.earthlink.net/~terryn/

Bay Shore Schools home page: http://www.bayshore.k12.ny.us/

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:31:08 +0100
From:    Guenther Albrecht 
Subject: timeline bugs

this is from my experience with max 3.5/3.5.1. I use it for control of
different devices. an ideal feature for this is the timeline. but i
tried & tried & it just bugged back at me...

first thing i experienced: if you save the efunc table (your drawn data)
for a track, you will not be able to load this file again & zhe original
data will be lost upon re-opening of the timeline file.

second, after prepairing & data-filling a timeline it will forget parts
of my definition when saved & opened again. i was able to correct the
bug: when opening as text you see that max writes wrong definitions, i
had to put semicolons ; after lines it treated like one command upon
saving. this seems to be just a bug in saving. the edited textfile will
open just fine with all events now in the place i defined them.. but max
will ask again to save & destroy the file....

any suggestions? this is very ugly. have i to leave max & do it all in
Vision?

regards

.G.A.

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:45:03 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: 68K vs. PPC

>>Something that might reassure Nick even more is for someone who
>>has a fast PPC machine to tell him that Max 3.0 runs better on it
>>than a 68K machine.

>I thought that 3.0 wasn't at all PPC-native? I don't even want to think
>about whether I'd need to recompile all my own THINK C externals...

Exactly why I thought you'd care more about the performance of 3.0.
The point is, PPC machines are getting so fast they emulate 68K
faster than real 68K machines.

>Anyone know whether the PB520 PPC upgrades are still available? Just
>curious at this stage.

This is how you can make yourself really miserable. I bet native PPC
Max 3.5 will run more slowly on one of those upgraded Powerbooks
than 3.0 on a 520.

David Z.

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:34:29 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Libswitch problem in 3.5.1

Tod Fiste  writes:

>I'm having some problems with the libswitch object in 3.5.1.



>To get around the problem I tried creating a bpatcher object in the
>"wrong" patcher that points to the "correct" patcher, with an inlet in
>the "correct" patcher that feeds into the libswitch object and a print
>object.  Sending messages to the bpatcher object causes the print to
>happen, so I know that the message is getting through, but the
>libswitch ignores it!  (This part is true in both 3.5 and 3.5.1).

You can't make a bpatcher object that "points to" a patcher that's
already loaded. If you are using a linked editor patcher, it is
going to load a fresh copy of the editor containing the libswitch
object, not "point to" the one that was loaded by the lib object
when you double-clicked on a patch number in the lib window.
The fact that the print object works is no surprise: it's just
another print object. However, the libswitch object isn't fooled;
it knows when it's not in the right patcher.

The only way for a dynamically loaded patcher to communicate with
other patchers is to use send and receive. Tod might be worried about
the uniqueness of the receive targets in what he calls the
correct patcher as when multiple lib patches are being edited at
the same time. However, if you use a libfrom object with no arguments
in both the libswitch patcher and the dynamically loaded patcher,
you can get the lib patch number being edited, which could be used to
generate a unique name for a receiver (and a unique target in a message
box or forward object).

By the way, Tod sent his message to the mailing list but addressed it
to me. Given that there are probably a lot of people who might know the
information I've supplied above (I looked most of it up in the
manual), he might be excluding others who are far better Max programmers
than I am.

David Z.

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:36:49 +0300
From:    Juhani Raisanen 
Subject: 

Hello,
I've been doing both music AND graphics with MAX in live situations for
many years, but now I'we faced problems with the PICT object. Seems
it doesn't find the yellow colors of the picture at all and  other
colors are weird also. This doesn't happen with the fpic object but I
prefer using the graphic window. This seems not happen in every machine so
what could be wrong?

Juhani Raisanen
raisanen@cc.helsinki.fi
MUUmediabase

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:48:36 -0400
From:    Bill Vorn 
Subject: PPC version of the prog object?

Is there a PPC (or FAT) version of the "prog" object somewhere?
We could use timeline instead but since everything is already written for
prog...  We're looking for the fastest way to convert our old patches to
PPC format.

Thanks.

Bill Vorn
Montreal (Quebec) Canada

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:35:01 +0000
From:    Tod Fiste 
Subject: Re: Libswitch problem in 3.5.1

David Zicarelli wrote:
>
> You can't make a bpatcher object that "points to" a patcher that's
> already loaded. If you are using a linked editor patcher, it is
> going to load a fresh copy of the editor containing the libswitch
> object, not "point to" the one that was loaded by the lib object
> when you double-clicked on a patch number in the lib window.

Ah, I see.  I'm still trying to figure out the inter-patcher stuff.

> The only way for a dynamically loaded patcher to communicate with
> other patchers is to use send and receive.

It works!  It works!  Thanks, David.  But what's this...

> Tod might be worried about
> the uniqueness of the receive targets in what he calls the
> correct patcher as when multiple lib patches are being edited at
> the same time. However, if you use a libfrom object with no arguments
> in both the libswitch patcher and the dynamically loaded patcher,
> you can get the lib patch number being edited, which could be used to
> generate a unique name for a receiver (and a unique target in a message
> box or forward object).

I wasn't worried about that, I was just dense.  But since you've raised
this point, what are you talking about here?  How could you be editing
more than one lib patch number at a time?  I would love to do this, but
I don't see how - as soon as you tell libswitch to go to a new lib patch
number, all of your libfrom and libtofrom object are going to receive
the new patch info, no?  So all your patchers are always going to be
pointing to and working on the same patch, aren't they?  How can one
make it otherwise?  (Actually, I'm in the process of storing patches in
coll objects to get around this, so this would be really useful info for
me.)

> By the way, Tod sent his message to the mailing list but addressed it
> to me. Given that there are probably a lot of people who might know the
> information I've supplied above (I looked most of it up in the
> manual), he might be excluding others who are far better Max programmers
> than I am.

Sorry, it sounded like a David Z question to me - I haven't seen much on
the list about the lib-related objects.  As for others being better Max
programmers - maybe so, but they're not David Z!

Thanks,

Tod

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:48:46 +0200
From:    arjen van der Schoot 
Subject: Reset port - Forget port

Hi,

I am sending 86 byte packets of sysex to a Yamaha 02R, at a rate of 15 a
second. All kinds of MAX routines write into an 86 byte long table, which
is being output as sysex at this steady rate. I can push the output rate up
to about 45 packets per second before the 02R starts complaining so 1/3 of
that leaves a more than save margin.
There is virtually no other MIDI transmitted through OMS but I do get the
dreaded 'Reset Port - Forget Port' OMS message occasionally, after which
the OMS MIDI port is dead. At these times nothing extra is being
transmitted. It does not seem to have anything to do with the connected
Opcode studio 64X interface, since it can occur without the thing
connected.

Does anybody have a clue as to where these errors come from, and what to do
about it other than tossing out OMS altogether?

Another thing:  I have encounterred a strange thing in MAX 3.5. After a
standard save of a patcher window it thinks on trying to reopen that it is
an old format patcher. As you know 3.5 can't save nor open these so it
puzzles me, I go back to an old version of MAX and try to open it, MAX 2.5
crashes. I try to open it as text in 3.5: miscelaneous file error (please
DZ: if this is an OS error, at least give an error ID that can be looked
up), so I open it as text in 2.5: works fine. I copy the text into an empty
patcher that has been opened in 3.5 as text, and save. Now I open the faked
patcher in 3.5: crash. Here I decide to start all over, reinstaal Max, run
Norton... This was yesterday and the day before, so I'm not sure if I got
rid of the problem. Anyone seen this before?

Just drop your 2 cents in my leftmost input.

Arjen van der Schoot

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:41:42 -0400
From:    Mike DeMurga 
Subject: Central Florida Max Users

Stetson University's Digital Arts Institute presents "Life in
  the Wild," an interactive sound installation.  The installation involves
  a network of computers, various sensors, video cameras, and motion
  detectors, and a 21-loudspeaker sound system.  The movement of
participants,
  as they walk through the "Wildlife Portrayals" Exhibit in the Museum's art
  gallery, is tracked by sensors and processed by computers to generate
  music derived from environmental sounds. The work is a project of
Stetson's
  Digital Arts Advanced MIDI class. The DeLand Museum of Art is
  located in the Cultural Arts Center, 600 N. Woodland Boulevard.  The
  "Life in the Wild" exhibit, which opened April 11th,  will run through
  Sunday, April 27th.

We're using Max, 6 macs, Icube sensors, and making great use of Eric
Singer's
VideoIn object...

--Michael DeMurga
Stetson University
Digital Arts--Music
mdemurga@stetson.edu

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:13:32 -0700
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 20 Apr 1997

        Reply to:   RE>MAX Digest - 20 Apr 1997 to 21 Apr 1997

>From:    Alex Noyes 
>Subject: PCI Serial Port Cards
>Does anyone know of any serial cards for
>PCI based macs?

Alex,

Try Creative Solutions (800) 367-8465.
They have a 4 port, high speed PCI serial expansion card & driver for Mac. I
haven't used that card, but have been very happy with several of their other
technical products. They also make a FORTH compiler.

steve anderson   steve.anderson@sonoma.edu

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:06:44 -0400
From:    Charles Cohen 
Subject: PPC upgrade for PwrBk 520

Nick asked:
> Anyone know whether the PB520 PPC upgrades are still available?

Saw an ad in the latest Macworld for the original Apple PowerPC upgrade
card from Sonnet Technologies     http://www.sonnettech.com

Also, last time I looked, Newer Technologies still had their own
versions     http://www.newertech.com/products/products.html

--
            ****      What's Charles up to?      ****
                 http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:34:03 -0400
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: 

 Greetings,

 This call for papers was sent to me to be posted on the Max listserv. It
is not all that related to what I imagine people here are interested in. If
anyone has an opinion on whether I should or should not post more of these
in the future, please email me directly (not to the list).

Thanks,

Christopher Murtagh

                             CALL FOR PAPERS

            Museums and the Web: An International Conference
              Toronto, Ontario, Canada, April 21-26, 1998

               Organised by Archives & Museum Informatics

        Sponsored by the Canadian Heritage Information Network

     The 1997 Museums and the Web Conference attracted over 400
     participants to Los Angeles, to hear reports and analysis by over
     50 speakers from 11 countries. We expect the 1998 meeting in
     Toronto to bring together more members of the ever-growing Museum
     and the Web community.

     Submissions of papers are requested from those actively involved
     in shaping what the museum will look like on the World Wide Web.
     The Program for Museums and the Web 1998 will be selected from
     proposals contributed in response to this call. Proposals are
     being accepted until October 31, 1997 to present a paper or teach
     a workshop (1/2 or full day).

     Paper proposals should include:

        * Full identification of the presenter(s), including name, job
          title, institution, postal address, phone, fax, email, and
          URL
        * The title of the proposed paper
        * An abstract which clearly states the specific contribution
          the paper or presentation will make
        * AV Requirements for presentation

     Workshop proposals must include:

        * Full identification of the instructor(s), including name,
          title, postal address, phone, fax, email, and URL.
        * A syllabus outlining the content to be presented and learning
          objectives for the workshop
        * Dates and places where this workshop has been previously
          presented
        * Proposed contract terms
        * AV Requirements for presentation

     TOPICS

     Suggested paper topics may include, but are not limited to:

       1. Moving Museum Programs to the Web

             o Educational Outreach
             o The Museum Digital Community: Electronic Volunteers,
               Virtual Members, Remote Audiences
             o Professional Resources on the Web: Web Museology,
               Virtual Support Networks, Professional Organizations
             o Museum Public Relations via an Institutional Web Site
             o Museum Exhibitions on the Web
             o Higher Education and Museums on the Web
             o Income Producing Activity and the Web
             o Imagebases, Multimedia, and Publishing
             o The Concept of the "Museum" in the Digital Age

       2. Adapting Museum Structures for the Web

             o Staffing, Training, and Professional Development.
             o Budgeting, Managing, Maintaining and Updating a Web
               Presence.
             o Museum Intranets - Leveraging the Technology for
               In-house Benefits.
             o Consortia, National, and International Projects.
             o Standards, Architectures, and Long-term Strategies.
             o New Technologies & Opportunities for the Near Future.
             o Copyright and Licensing: Protecting and Providing Museum
               Property.
             o Access & Accessibility: Resource Discovery, Metadata,
               and Domain Naming.

       3. Evaluating Museums' Presence on the Web

             o Graphic Design
             o Information Architecture and Delivery
             o Content Authoring
             o User Interaction
             o Navigational Structures
             o Communciation Effectiveness
             o Program Support
             o Audience Enhancement
             o Product Development

     DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION

     Proposals are welcome at any time; to be considered they must be
     received by October 31, 1997.

     SEND PROPOSALS TO

     MW98 Conference Co-Chairs

     David Bearman, dbear@archimuse.com

     Jennifer Trant, jtrant@archimuse.com

     or fax them to Archives & Museum Informatics at +1 412-683-7366

     TIMETABLE FOR REVIEW

     Proposals will be reviewed by the conference advisory committee
     and participants will be notified of acceptance by December 15,
     1997. Abstracts will be made available through the conference web
     site from January 1, 1998. Accepted papers are due February 28,
     1998, and will be published (on the Web and/or in print).

     FURTHER INFORMATION

     More detailed information about Museums and the Web, 1998 will be
     available from www.archimuse.com/mw98

     SPECIAL PREPUBLICATION OFFER
     MUSEUMS AND THE WEB, 1997: SELECTED PAPERS

     Edited by David Bearman and Jennifer Trant
     Selected Papers from an International Conference held in
     Los Angeles, California,  March 16-19, 1997.
     To be released May, 1997
     Pre-publication price $30.00 (Publication price $45.00)

--------
J. Trant                             jtrant@archimuse.com
Partner and Principal Consultant     www.archimuse.com
Archives & Museums Informatics
5501 Walnut St., Suite 203           ph. + 1-412-683-9775
Pittsburgh, PA USA 15232-1455        fax + 1-412-683-7366
--------

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Date:    Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:52:08 -0400
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: Listserv renewal

Greetings Fellow Maxers,

 Within the next day or so, I will be renewing the MAX listserv. What this
means is that I will be removing all names from the list and asking you to
re-subscribe if you wish to continue receiving the Max Digest. My reason
for this is because many people have had their mail forwarded to non
existant accounts, and for some odd reason, I am getting the
Mailer-Daemons.  Seeing as I'm not particularly fond of getting 10-15
Mailer-Daemons a day, I have decided to renew the list.

So, please remember the following:

1) Don't re-subscribe until you have received the notice from the
postmaster.

2) Please don't have your listserv stuff forwarded to another address, this
will cause problems for you also. For example if you try to post something
to the list from your other email address (and not the one you are
subscribed under) the listserv will reject your message.

Thank-you for your time.

Sincerely,

Christopher Murtagh
(Max Listserv Owner)

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