Subject: MAX Digest - 18 Apr 1997 to 20 Apr 1997
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There are 10 messages totalling 386 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Nintendo Power Glove (2)
  3. Syncing MIDI ports independently (2)
  4. MIDI setup problems
  5. MAX 3.5.1 with MacOS 7.6.1
  6. PB 165 crashes
  7. QuickTime audio play ???
  8. MAX Digest - 17 Apr 1997 to 18 Apr 1997


Date:    Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:51:42 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Nintendo Power Glove

>Now if you'll all excuse me, I'll go back to seeing if I can get MAX
>3.5.1 running properly on a PowerBook 165 with 12 MB of RAM and OMS
>1.2.3. Life isn't kind to those of us who can't afford spiffy new Macs.

I'm not sure whether price really comes into it, certainly from my point of
view. I quite like the fact that, for example, I will be taking delivery of
a 68040-based PowerBook and taking the internal RAM to 36MB for something
less than the current UK price of an E-mu Planet Phatt, and my PowerBook
170 is sitting on the Thunder's tripod stand beside an E-mu fader box worth
about the same amount of money. (And the PB100 is holding up my CD
collection.) My dream studio would probably have cheap PowerBooks littered
around running MAX systems for various tasks and replacing (or disarming)
all sorts of bits of clevver dedicated hardware. Computers as cheap,
reliable utilitarian consumables: that appeals to me.

The only thing at this stage which would make me even contemplate a
PPC-based machine and MAX 3.5 is if the timing jitter is much improved.

(Cue for David Z. to come along and tell me that it is...)

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again


Date:    Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:22:20 -1000
From:    "Troy T. Terazono" 



Date:    Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:16:58 +0100
From:    "K-) Peter" 
Subject: Syncing MIDI ports independently

In article , James Reynolds  writes
>i have an opcode studio 64x four-port interface running with max 3.0 and
>oms 2.31, and i'm having trouble sending MIDI sync at different frequencies
>out each of the four ports

        Apologies if this is too basic or nieve, but I see lots of
questions and few answers, which for extreme beginners like me is
difficult. If I'm not supposed to stimulate debate please just tell me
to shut up the once ;-)

Off the wall suggestions.
        If by MIDI sync you mean MIDI clock (F8 (248 decimal integer)
sent at 24 ppqn. FA song start, FB song continue), could you not
generate your own rates using a counter or metro and send these to each
port yourself. Presumably if the data is sent to a port uniquely, it
shouldn't decide to echo it to all ports even if it is a common system
realtime message ? Or is it going to send every F message (including Sys
X F0/F7) to all ports all the time ?
        I only have an OLD opcode studio 2 (modem/printer) and I've just
tried this using:

a switch > metro 100 (21 would be about 119bpm) > Int 248 > MIDIOUT A

and it works. However on my system routing to MIDIOUT B also comes out
of A and vice versa. Unfortunately I don't have another serial cable
else I'd know what the printer port was doing ;-( However the two clock
rates to the different ports do seem to add. Would this be different for
the raw serial port drivers ? Baud rate (31250 bits /8 or /10 for baud ?
is this right for Max) ?
        As a MIDI performance controlled variable (i.e. aftertouch makes
the tempo go quicker atemporaly) added to the existing clock this might
be quite interesting ? It could even be used subtly as a groove ! Anyone
have any musical sugestions for implementing this ?
        Alternatively I can only think about using a variable DELAY
object on the output port directly to affect the data rather than the
clock. If it's for an external sequencer, perhaps you could run that
sequencer output back into the Mac through Max and out again via this
delay ?! If they are MIDIfiles you are triggering perhaps you could play
them from Max and offset their start points ?
K-) Peter


Date:    Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:46:49 +0100
From:    Terry Nigrelli 
Subject: MIDI setup problems

> Date:    Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:01:53 -0500
> From:    "Frank L. Thiel" 
> Subject: Midi Setup Problems
> I just subscribed to the listserv, and thought I would ask a question
> about a problem I am having with MAX 3.5.  My setup is as follows:
>    MAX 3.5
>    OMS 2.3.1
>    PowerCC PowerWave 604/120
>    MOTU Midi Express XT
>    Several pieces of MIDI gear
> The problem is as follows: after setting up my studio document in OMS,
> I launch MAX and select File -> Midi Setup...  All of my gear appears
> in both the "input devices" and "output devices" column, including
> the Midi Express XT (for which OMS chose the "Midi TimePiece" driver).
> When I try to choose a letter assignment in the "output devices" column
> for the device connected to Port 1 of the Midi Express XT (MEXT), MAX
> insists on explicitly linking the MEXT itself with the device, making it
> have whatever letter assignment the Port 1 device has.  This essentially
> renders Port 1 useless under MAX by sending all Port 1 data out all of the
> 8 ports on the MEXT.
> I have tried throwing out and recreating the studio document in OMS
> with different devices on Port 1.  I have also tossed the MAX Preferences
> and made it recreate them.  The problem is always there.  I would
> any insight anyone has on this.
> Thank you very much, and I look forward to being part of this listserv.
> Sincerely,
> Frank Thiel


Have you tried using the the "omsinfo" object. Additionally, MAX 3.5 has
a separate "omscontrollers" object instead of specifying ports with

Terry Nigrelli

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Date:    Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:46:39 +0100
From:    Terry Nigrelli 
Subject: MAX 3.5.1 with MacOS 7.6.1

> Date:    Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:52:57 +0100
> From:    "Fr=E9d=E9ric Murray" 
> Subject: Max and MacOs 7.6
> Excuse my english, I am a french speaker.  I would like to know if some=
> test Max 3.5 with MacOS 7.6  Do you meet some trouble?  Thank you for
> answer.
> Fr=E9d=E9ric Murray


I am using MAX 3.5.1 with MacOS 7.6.1 and have had no trouble so far.

Terry Nigrelli=20
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Bay Shore Schools home page:


Date:    Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:44:22 -0400
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Re: Nintendo Power Glove

Yes, I am out of Goldbricks (no hassle for asking, though :-)  The
company, Transfinite Systems, is too.  If enough people are interested: I
remember Donald Eastlake (the guy who is T.S.) telling me he had enough
boards for a small additional run (maybe 30??).  Someone might be able to
convince him to make them or sell the parts - if you can get in touch with
him, which is the hard part (last I knew, he was working at DEC in Mass.).


On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City wrote:

> Fellow MAXers,
> On a recent trip to a flea market, I stumbled across a Nintendo Power
> Glove.  The fellow selling it assured me that it was in working order,
> although it didn't come with the sensors that attach to the TV set
> (which seem to provide much of the movement functionality).
> Since then, my inquiries into finding the Power Glove/ADB adapter have
> failed (folks can stop hassling Eric Singer, he's out of them and
> doesn't know where to find more), and I have had no way to either test
> the Glove to make sure it works or to interface it to my Mac for use
> with MAX.
> To end this frustrating situation, I am entertaining two courses of
> action, and will act on whichever one presents itself in the quickest
> and most expedient manner.
> 1. If anyone has
>  - a Power Glove/ADB interface for sale and/or
>  - can point me to a source for these devices and/or
>  - a DIY kit for making one's own (less desirable, I hung up my
>          soldering iron when I got my PhD and quit science) and/or
>  - any other resources for integrating the Power Glove with MAX,
> I would appreciate any help that is offered, preferably by private
> email. If I receive what seems like a solid body of useful data, I
> will collate it for reposting to the MAX list and/or send it to Tommy
> DOG for his Web site.
> 2. If anyone has wanted a Power Glove for MAX or any other use and is
> willing to do the legwork to get it running, I have not yet developed
> any great attachment to the one I have and would part with it for what
> I paid for it plus a few dollars for shipping. It would be sold as is,
> with its owner's manual and no warranty of performance.
> My email address is, and I look forward to hearing
> from anyone who can help keep this device from simply gathering dust
> and/or becoming a teething toy for my daughter.
> Now if you'll all excuse me, I'll go back to seeing if I can get MAX
> 3.5.1 running properly on a PowerBook 165 with 12 MB of RAM and OMS
> 1.2.3. Life isn't kind to those of us who can't afford spiffy new Macs.
> mike
> --
> "Damn--there's a really big one I wish were smaller."
> Mike Metlay - ATOMIC CITY - P. O. Box 81175, Pittsburgh, PA  15217-0675
>  =  --   --  800.924.ATOM  =
> CD orders via LOFTY PURSUITS: 800.548.6724 & 904.385.6463, FAX

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Date:    Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:23:06 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Syncing MIDI ports independently

>        Apologies if this is too basic or nieve, but I see lots of
>questions and few answers, which for extreme beginners like me is

I could have sworn I posted a reply to this, but I've looked through my out
box and don't see one...

>Presumably if the data is sent to a port uniquely, it
>shouldn't decide to echo it to all ports even if it is a common system
>realtime message ?

As I think the Americans say, you're lucked out.

I don't know about the 64X, but the Studio 4 will send any incoming beat
clock message to all output ports. I don't remember what happens to other
system common/realtime bytes or messages, but I've certainly had seconds of
endless fun trying to figure out where Song Pointers go (or come from) on
various occasions.

The Studio 4 takes closely after the MOTU MIDI Time Piece, which was a
revision/redesign of the old Southworth Systems JamBox; AFAIK they all work
this way. After all, who would want to run different ports with different
clocks, right? Not your average pop producer. They don't call it "global
sync" for nothing.

I have a feeling that the Studio 5 gets this right. Or, you could try using
discrete serial ports on the computer for differing sync values.

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again


Date:    Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:46:33 +0200
From:    "David K. Mason" 
Subject: PB 165 crashes

My PowerBook 165 crashes or freezes a number of times per hour while=
 programming with MaxFAT3.5.1.  It seems to occur mostly when opening=
 subpatches by double-clicking on the subpatch's object box.  Any clues?

Here's a list of everything loaded while programming:

System D1-7.5 (German), 12MB RAM
MaxFAT3.5.1 allocated 5MB, free remains above 3000k
QuicKeys 3.0
(Kensington 4-button mouse)

Disinfectant INIT
Assistant Toolbox
CE Toolbox
Dateien finden Erweiterung (Find File Extension?)
=46arbauswahl (Choose Color?)
=46eststelltaste (Shift key)
=46reeMIDI System Extension
Kensington Startup
Open Music System

Allgemeine Einstellungen (General controls?)
Apple-Menu Optionen
Datum & Uhrzeit (Date & Time)
Kensington MouseWorks
OMS Preferred Device
Unicorn Power
Weitere PowerBook (Further PowerBook?)
~Stuffit SpaceSaver

I'd appreciate any and all help with this.  I don't lose much work with
 since I save after practically each programming step.  It's just that I=
 lose concentration and lots of time because of the restarts (I start the
 cold each time.)
Many thanks in advance!

Best regards, Dave Mason


Date:    Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:51:37 +0200
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: QuickTime audio play ???

1- Is there a way to use audio-only QuickTime Movies and play sounds usin=
the random access and the controls possible on images ?
Why can't you do it with the Imovie object ?

2- I would like to give users of a free MaxPlay standalone application th=
possibility to save their presets. But, when one asks to save a MaxPlay
standalone aplication from MaxPlay,..., very strange thingz'appen, such a=
losing objects in the patcher, or blocking the program with the clock ico=

Is this normal?
If yes, what is the save comand for?
Is there another solution to allow my user saving his presets?

Roland Cahen
Professeur de
musique =E9lectroacoustique
83, Rue du Faubourg Saint Denis
F75010 PARIS
Tel pers: (33) (0)1 47 70 12 61
Tel ENM Montb=E9liard 03 81 99 39 60


Date:    Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:51:33 -0400
From:    Galo Patricio Moncayo Asan 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 17 Apr 1997 to 18 Apr 1997

Please take me off your list.


End of MAX Digest - 18 Apr 1997 to 20 Apr 1997