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Subject: MAX Digest - 25 Feb 1997 to 26 Feb
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There are 8 messages totalling 230 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. libswitch question/problem
  2. MAX Digest - 24 Feb 1997 to 25 Feb 1997
  3. Quicktime stuff
  4. Skriabin patcher
  5. IVL Manual (2)
  6. ouchstring (2)

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Date:    Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:13:17 +0000
From:    Tod Fiste 
Subject: libswitch question/problem

David,

(Please forgive me if this is the 2nd or 3rd time you've gotten this e-mail.
 I've
been having a lot of trouble with my e-mail at work lately.)

I have a question (and possibly a problem) with the libswitch object.  The
3.5
documentation says that for input to libswitch "The word set, followed by a
 patch
number, has the same effect as int, except that set causes no output to be
sent
 from
libfrom objects in the patch."  My interpretation of this would be that when
I
 send,
for example,  to libswitch that it would switch the current patch to
 patch 4
(i.e., the title bar would change to the new patch name & number, etc.), but
not
cause output from libfrom objects.  But sending  to libswitch causes
 nothing
to happen until I send a  to libswitch, at which time the patch
changes
 but
the libfrom and libtofrom objects are also triggered.  Unless I am
completely
missing the point of using set with libswitch, I think there might be a
problem
 with
it.  If this is how it's supposed to work, what would you use it for?

Thanks,

Tod

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:26:51 -0500
From:    Tom Bellman 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 24 Feb 1997 to 25 Feb 1997

Hi,

I just joined the list, although I've some experience in the past with
v2.5.2.  At that time, I recall seeing a patch or object that allowed
control of Quicktime Musical Instruments.  Can anyone tell me where I can
get this?  Is it included in later versions (3.0+).  My Web searches have
not turned it up anywhere.

Some general info questions if y'all don't mind.
Is this list archived and if so can I search the archive somewhere?
Any caveats from experienced Max users with a Powerbook 5300?

Many thanks,

Tom Bellman
graduate student in Human Computer Interaction
University of Toronto

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:30:04 -0500
From:    David Rokeby 
Subject: Quicktime stuff

>does anyone have any ideas on how to get a totally black screen with just
>the movie displayed?

It is quite easy with an 8500 (and I presume an 8600).

You need the full complement of video ram, and you set up the video
output to be a window of size 320 x 240 or 640 x 480 using the Monitors
and sound multiple monitors arranger. You will need to be displaying your
quicktime video in a separate window (not the object that displays the
movie in a patch window. (I can't remember which is which, but one is
called imovie, and the other is called movie... I assume imovie is the
"user interface" version that you access on the icon bar, so you want the
movie object, instantiated by typing movie into an object box. You will
then need to manoeuver the window into position so that only the video
portion is visible in the video out window, without the frame, etc. In
Max 3.5, if I am not mistaken, you can do this with a window positioning
command of some sort. In MAx 3.0, you will have to make sure that the
relationship between your main screen and the video out screen is such
that you can still move the window by its titlebar, as the bulk of the
window appears on the video screen. Perhaps the best way is to position
your video output area directly below your main window's virtual position
so that the title bar remains accessible at the bottom of your main
screen for slight adjustment.

David Rokeby

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:51:22 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Skriabin patcher

I have tried to recreate the Skriabin Chord rec patcher posted by Jeffrey
Burns, and am getting errors in the subpatcher.  Specifically, the 2nd and
3rd long "if" expressions in the subpatcher "Skriabinchord" will not
create, giving "bad expression" error messages.

I suspect that somewhere in the translation from patcher to text back to
patcher that something has gotten garbled or changed.

(Always a good idea to test one's own patcher-to-text conversion before
posting - I've noticed these kinds of errors before.)

Has anyone else tried this and had a different experience?

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:32:33 EST
From:    Le Quan Ninh <100617.760@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: IVL Manual

I just bought a second hand IVL PitchRider 4000. But without user's manual.
Does anyone have it and could send me a copy of it ? I can trade it with a
CD
or something else. Thanks in advance.

Ninh

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:10:55 EST
From:    Roland Hemming <100414.2220@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: ouchstring

David Zicarelli wrote:

>There could be problems of the sort where an object receives a
>message in an inlet while it is in the middle of putting out
>another one, causing some condition in which it would have
>stopped doing something not to occur, thereby triggering
>a stack overflow.

I don't understand this. I thought the whole point of MAX message order is
that
an object would have finished putting out data before MAX will let a new
message
in its inlet?

Can you explain this in more detail. Maybe my anal attention to message
order
has been part of the problem!

Roland

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:31:43 -0700
From:    James McCartney 
Subject: Re: ouchstring

At 5:10 PM -0500 2/26/97, Roland Hemming wrote:
>David Zicarelli wrote:
>
>>There could be problems of the sort where an object receives a
>>message in an inlet while it is in the middle of putting out
>>another one, causing some condition in which it would have
>>stopped doing something not to occur, thereby triggering
>>a stack overflow.
>
>I don't understand this. I thought the whole point of MAX message order is
>that
>an object would have finished putting out data before MAX will let a new
>message
>in its inlet?
>
>Can you explain this in more detail. Maybe my anal attention to message
order
>has been part of the problem!

This can happen if an outlet of your object sends data back either directly
or via some other object to an inlet of your object.
Message sends are just function calls so if you send to an object
you are calling its message handler and if it is connected back to
your object then it calls a message handler of your object.

   --- james mccartney     james@clyde.as.utexas.edu   james@lcsaudio.com
If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program:
ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx

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Date:    Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:23:34 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: IVL Manual

>I just bought a second hand IVL PitchRider 4000. But without user's
manual.
>Does anyone have it and could send me a copy of it ? I can trade it with a
CD
>or something else. Thanks in advance.

>Ninh

IVL is still very much in business, although not currently manufacturing
the PitchRider (but they're talking about bringing it back).  FYI, they
make all the Digitech Vocalist products, etc.

For a manual, why not contact them directly?

IVL Technologies Ltd.
6710 Bertram Place
Victoria BC, Canada V8M 1Z6
(250) 544-4091 tel
(250) 544-4100 fax

Stephen Kay
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