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Subject: MAX Digest - 23 Feb 1997 to 24 Feb
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There are 7 messages totalling 264 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. ouchstring
  2. QuickTime and video out
  3. QuickTime o/p
  4. Quicktime Stuff
  5. Audio file play patch (2)
  6. MAX Digest - 22 Feb 1997

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Date:    Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:22:32 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: ouchstring

Roland Hemming <100414.2220@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:

>Yes I was a beta tester too and I find in some patchers if I try to
>run a series of operations in a loop using counter or even just the
> + I get a stack overflow.
>I contacted David Z about this but I never really pursued it. I have had
>to put
>the odd delay object in my patchers to sort it out.

I believe that Roland sent me some of his patches and I could never
make them overflow. There was one example quite a while ago that
used the grab object in a re-entrant way (that just crashed)
that I believe I fixed.

>You say it might be your patcher design and my patchers are quite complex
too
>but I'm not so sure. David could there be some sort of re-entrancy problem?

There could be problems of the sort where an object receives a
message in an inlet while it is in the middle of putting out
another one, causing some condition in which it would have
stopped doing something not to occur, thereby triggering
a stack overflow. I could guess this might be a problem with
counter, but no one has demonstrated it to me. I seriously doubt
it is a problem with int, which is what I would recommend using
for these sorts of loops. I don't think it was originally envisioned
that Max would be used in this way, but I'm happy to try to
fix it so it can be.

David Z.

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Date:    Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:25:42 -0600
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Re: QuickTime and video out

Hi. What I do is, make a frame around the QT movie window with 4 graphic
windows. In each window I draw a black rectangle which fills the space. You
might have to experiment a bit with your monitors control panel settings
depending on you monitor size.

Cheers,
ken

>Subject: Quicktime stuff
>
>i've written a patch that plays a quicktime movie at various points from a
>midi keyboard and i want to output the movie to a video projector.
>the problem is the s-vhs output contains the whole desktop. i have the
>patch to hide the menu bar but the QT window and the patch has a title bar
>etc.
>does anyone have any ideas on how to get a totally black screen with just
>the movie displayed?
>

>Probably has more to do with the software that drives your video output
>than with Max.  You need to find a way (maybe with Monitors control panel)
>to define the screen that contains your QuickTime output.  I think some
>applications let you send the contents of a quicktime window out as NTSC
>video.  You may need to have a 2-monitor setup (or separate display card
>with video I/O) to do this.
>
>Anybody with better answers, please holler.  I'm shopping around for the
>best way to do this, too.
>

Ken Gregory   kgregory@pangea.ca
ph. 204-942-7510                fax 204-942-1555
704-138 Portage Ave. East,  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada  R3B 1G7

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Date:    Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:46:52 GMT
From:    Joseph Hyde 
Subject: QuickTime o/p

>Probably has more to do with the software that drives your video output
>than with Max.  You need to find a way (maybe with Monitors control panel)
>to define the screen that contains your QuickTime output.  I think some
>applications let you send the contents of a quicktime window out as NTSC
>video.  You may need to have a 2-monitor setup (or separate display card
>with video I/O) to do this.
>
>Anybody with better answers, please holler.  I'm shopping around for the
>best way to do this, too.
>

I also need some answers on this! We have one machine with a little
MiroMotion DC20 video card, and I'd like to be able to send QuickTime
movies through this from Max, but I'm not quite sure how to do it (though
I've only just started to look into it) - anyone any ideas?

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Joseph Hyde
Dartington College of Arts
Totnes
Devon TQ9 6EJ

Tel: [+44] (0)1803 861661
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Date:    Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:15:14 +0200
From:    Tim Boykett 
Subject: Re: Quicktime Stuff

I have spent quit some frustrating time trying to get some
decent QT performance out of max, at the meoment we have decided
to fall back onto the video disk player idea as it seems to have
a speed bonus.

But for pure QT stuff, we used a raster ops video card that
spits out NTSC, defined this as a seperate monitor
(at the time we had three (count them, 3!) monitors running on
this poor old Mac) and I placed the quicktime screen
to completely fill the third monitor.

I would have preferred some way of doing more complex
Apple Messages / Apple scripting so as to be able to
communicate from max to a QT player program: I can't remember
which one seemed most appropriate, but one gave a black
background on the screen while it played QT movies at
a decent speed.

It would seem that the development of Apple messages
for Max stopped well before I got interested in it,
the aeband and aesend objects seem ancient, and not
at all flexible. But then again, I might eb just
looking at them from the wrong perspective, if anyone
knows more, I am all ears.

It would also seem that leaving QT interface writing
to experts over there in QuickTimeLand would be good,
whilst putting better apple message support into Max
would be a more productive way of going about things.
I haven't programmed on a Mac in about 10 years, and I
haven't looked into the extensions (or whatever it's called)
definition for exernal Max objects, but it should
be (in principle, don't you love that word?) possible
to extend the apple message handling...

Enough for this hour of the morning, coffee is still
settling in...leter,

  Tim

>
>On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Andy Hughes wrote:
>
>> i've written a patch that plays a quicktime movie at various points from
a
>> midi keyboard and i want to output the movie to a video projector.
>> the problem is the s-vhs output contains the whole desktop.
>
>
>> does anyone have any ideas on how to get a totally black screen with just
>> the movie displayed?
>
>Probably has more to do with the software that drives your video output
>than with Max.  You need to find a way (maybe with Monitors control panel)
>to define the screen that contains your QuickTime output.  I think some
>applications let you send the contents of a quicktime window out as NTSC
>video.  You may need to have a 2-monitor setup (or separate display card
>with video I/O) to do this.
>
>Anybody with better answers, please holler.  I'm shopping around for the
>best way to do this, too.
>
>Later,
>dc

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Date:    Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:06:28 +0000
From:    solkai47 
Subject: Re: Audio file play patch

Hello there.

I am a novice max 3.0 user, PPC 7200AV 32meg {64 with Ramdblr}

What I'm looking for is a simple max patch to play existing multiple aiff
or sound designer ll audio files using the av facility of my mac whose
triggering is controlled by playing from a midi keyboard. I need it to be
simple to assign pitch events to a particular file.

I presume this is relitavely straightforward? or must you have DSP
hardware.

>From a hopeful recipient.

ps, i've tried aiffplay, but i never seem able to get a different audio
file into the equation and the triggering is internal, and i am pretty
new to all this stuff.

Any help however simple will be most greatly appreciated.

Dick Hodson

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Date:    Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:46:49 -0500
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Re: Audio file play patch

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, solkai47 wrote:

> What I'm looking for is a simple max patch to play existing multiple aiff
> or sound designer ll audio files using the av facility of my mac whose
> triggering is controlled by playing from a midi keyboard. I need it to be
> simple to assign pitch events to a particular file.
...
> ps, i've tried aiffplay, but i never seem able to get a different audio
> file into the equation and the triggering is internal, and i am pretty
> new to all this stuff.

Try "AiffPlayer" (newer version of AiffPlay), available from the usual ftp
sites as well as my web page (see below).  This will allow you to do what
you want.

Eric

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*          Eric Singer           *
*    Media Research Laboratory   *
*       New York University      *
*   email: esinger@cat.nyu.edu   *
*  web: http://cat.nyu.edu/eric  *
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Date:    Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:43:39 -0800
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 22 Feb 1997

        Reply to:   RE>MAX Digest - 22 Feb 1997 to 23 Feb 1997

>Date:    Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:08:38 +0000
>From:    Andy Hughes 
>Subject: Quicktime stuff

>does anyone have any ideas on how to get a totally black screen with just
the movie displayed?

Try using the "Hide Others" option from the application menu, in the
right-hand corner, with a black desktop pattern (and a clean desktop, with
no
aliases).

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