2/2/97 12:00 AM
Subject: MAX Digest - 31 Jan 1997 to 1 Feb
1997To: Recipients of MAX digests 

There are 8 messages totalling 187 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Powerbook (3)
  2. wind_new flags
  3. MaxList Archive - Lost a Day
  4. Cypher
  5. Tim's multispeaker enquiry
  6. Max and MMC tutorial


Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:53:15 -0800
From:    Bob Pritchard 
Subject: Re: Powerbook

bob pritchard
 School of Music Multimedia Resource Centre, University of British Columbia
 Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z2 (604) 822-3113    Fax (604) 822-4884

> If anyone is interested, once I am done with this project, I can post a
> microtutorial on using Max to do Midi Machine Control.

Yes, please, and thank you!


Date:    Sat, 1 Feb 1997 01:07:54 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: wind_new flags

Bill Vorn  writes:

>I'm trying to port my LifeTools objects to PPC using Symantec C++. (Don't
>worry, they'll still be freeware)  Apart from many new problems appearing
>I have this one when I try to create a simple window using wind_new with
>the WCLOSE flag (I only need a close box):
>A grow region and x - y scroll bars appear in the content region of the
>window.  If I draw something in the content region, the grow region and
>the scroll bars can be erased, meaning that they're not actually active.
>I tried different flag configurations with the same result.
>Does anybody know which flag(s) to send to wind_new in order to create a
>window with only the close box in it (noGrowDocProc type)?

The "grow icon" in a window actually consists of the icon plus the
lines that frame scroll bars. The problem is that in Max 3.5, this
"icon" is being drawn even if the WGROW flag isn't set. This change
was made to support the new window messages to thispatcher, but
exactly why I did this way escapes me, and I will change
it back in an update release, trying not to break any of those window

In any case, the only workaround is to erase the entire window
before drawing in it. When you send the messages "window nogrow,
window exec" to thispatcher, when the window updates and a grow
icon will be drawn and then immediately erased. This is an
example of what external object windows will have to do for now.

The WGROW flag, if set, will let you change the size of the window.

David Z.


Date:    Sat, 1 Feb 1997 09:41:56 -0500
From:    Keith Kothman 
Subject: Re: Powerbook

>If anyone is interested, once I am done with this project, I can post a
>microtutorial on using Max to do Midi Machine Control.

Definitely interested.

Keith Kothman                         
Department of Theory & Composition 
University of Miami School of Music                         305.284.4338
                                                       fax: 305.284.4448


Date:    Sat, 1 Feb 1997 09:36:58 -0600
From:    Michael Sweet 
Subject: MaxList Archive - Lost a Day

Although I've tried to contact some of you privately, I haven't had much
in retrieving the Max Digest from January 25, 1997 that got erased when my
mail server crashed.

I would greatly appreciate if anyone on the list kept a copy and and could
forward it to me privately.  I would like to add it to the Max Archive I
maintain and keep it up to date.

You can find the Max List Archive at the following ftp site: in the /pub/max folder.


--Michael Sweet


Date:    Sat, 1 Feb 1997 12:51:17 +0000
From:    Terry Nigrelli 
Subject: Cypher

> Date:    Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:26:19 -0500
> From:    Tommy DOG 
> Subject: Robert Rowe & Cypher
> Dearest Uncle Max,
> Has anyone used Cypher by Robert Rowe? I know it is included in a book
> of his on MIT Press. I can't locate a copy of the book, at the moment I
> can't get on to NYU at all, so E'ing Mr. Rowe seems hopeless. If anyone
> can help, please E.....


I got a copy of "Interactive Music Systems" by Robert Rowe with the
CD-ROM from
Mix bookshelf catalog. You could also try Amazon

I experimented with Cypher and found it interesting but it crashes my
machine (660av)
very often.

Terry Nigrelli
my home page:

Bay Shore Schools home page:


Date:    Sat, 1 Feb 1997 17:30:40 -0500
From:    Ben Thigpen <101762.3705@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: Powerbook

Peter Elsea wrote:

>If anyone is interested, once I am done with this project, I can post a
>microtutorial on using Max to do Midi Machine Control.

Please do.

Ben Thigpen


Date:    Sun, 2 Feb 1997 10:33:18 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: Tim's multispeaker enquiry

Hello Tim,
it's not exactly psychoacoustics, but you might be interested in Peter
McIlwain's work with neural net models to distribute sound events in a
multispeaker system.  Peter has been known on this list, but I don't know
if he's currently here.

Otherwise, see his paper:

McIlwain, Peter and Anthony Pietsch (1996).  Spatio-temporal Patterning in
Computer-generated Music: A Nodal Network Approach.  Proceedings of the
International Computer Music Conference (Hong Kong, , pp.312-315.

Regards, David


Date:    Sat, 1 Feb 1997 19:19:41 -0800
From:    Andrew Czink 
Subject: Max and MMC tutorial

        On Fri. Jan 31 97, Peter Elsea wrote,

If anyone is interested, once I am done with this project, I can post a
microtutorial on using Max to do Midi Machine Control.

        Yes!!! I am also very interested, and as David Crandall suggests
could you send it direct if decide not to post it on this list?  Thanks for
your time.

        Andrew Czink


End of MAX Digest - 31 Jan 1997 to 1 Feb 1997