2/1/97 12:00 AM
Subject: MAX Digest - 30 Jan 1997 to 31 Jan
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There are 8 messages totalling 194 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. neural nets
  2. Switchblade
  3. Apple Events and Max
  4. wind_new flags
  5. dial object alternative?
  6. AIFF conversion
  7. Powerbook (2)


Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:26:04 -0800
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: neural nets

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:26:19 -0500 Tommy DOG   wrote:

>... I was at a site where they had some info about
>using Max for Neural Nets....

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:44:49 -0800  Damian Keller  wrote:

>You can find MaxNet object in the unsupported-objects in Max 3.0.
>There is also an article in ICMC proceedings '92 (I think) which describes
>the object. It was made by people at CNMAT

There is also an object names Fuzzy_ARTMAP, created by David Roach and
Frank Kurzawa on comission from Max Neuhaus.  This is based on the neural
net model of the same name.  It is not available, unless one could license
it from Max N.

Richard Zvonar, PhD                    
RZ Cybernetics                            
11640 Amanda Drive                            CIS: 71501,3342
Studio City, CA 91604                         (818) 760-8055 voice/fax



Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 01:00:17 -0800
From:    Tim B 
Subject: Switchblade

Responding to a request from someone on the list.

 The Switchblade is an automated matrix mixer,
in essence any of the 16 inputs can be sent to
any of the 16 outputs in a controlled fashion.
This is all controllable via midi inputs. It's
a very cool system from what I can gather, we
will be proud owners in the nearfuture. See
the web at
or something like that.

In terms of using something like this, can anyone
point me at some references about the psycho-
acoustics of moving sound simulation using
multispeaker systems? Would be much appreciated,
I would like to do something more that just
panning backwards and forwards between opposing




Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 01:00:23 -0800
From:    Tim B 
Subject: Apple Events and Max

It seems that the new version of Max has nothing
at all to do with Apple events. And thus there
is no way that external programs can get any
information into Max. Is this true?

It would seem that the program should be able to
respond to at least a range of apple event messages,
and to send some out. I seem to recall seeing
something like an aebang object, it would respond
to an apple event with a bang. Or was this on
an earlier version and found to be useless or
problematic at some time?

Does anyone know about scripting with Max, since it
appears that Applescript cannot work with it? Any




Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:07:30 -0500
From:    Bill Vorn 
Subject: wind_new flags


I'm trying to port my LifeTools objects to PPC using Symantec C++. (Don't
worry, they'll still be freeware)  Apart from many new problems appearing
I have this one when I try to create a simple window using wind_new with
the WCLOSE flag (I only need a close box):

A grow region and x - y scroll bars appear in the content region of the
window.  If I draw something in the content region, the grow region and
the scroll bars can be erased, meaning that they're not actually active.
I tried different flag configurations with the same result.

Does anybody know which flag(s) to send to wind_new in order to create a
window with only the close box in it (noGrowDocProc type)?

If you compare the old and the new ext_wind.h definitions, you'll see that
the wind_new flags don't have the same values.


Bill Vorn
Montreal (Quebec) Canada


Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:48:44 +0000
From:    Tod Fiste 
Subject: dial object alternative?


Does anybody know of an alternative to the dial object?  Specifically,
I'm looking for a smaller and/or resizeable dial, preferably one that
does not have the square boundaries of the dial object, which prevent
me from being able to "draw" indicator marks around the edge of the dial
like you see on a mixing console.




Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 12:10:05 -0500
From:    Bob Gluck 
Subject: Re: AIFF conversion

There are a number of conversion programs around, but the one I rely on is
SoundHack, which does so many other neat things. It believe that it can be
downloaded from the Cal Arts (or is it Mills?) web site (Tom Erbe), or via
links like Larry Polansky's site at the Bregman EM Studio at Dartmouth or
Electronic Music Foundation (, which has numerous interesting em
and new music links.

Bob Gluck
Sheffield, MA


Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:54:05 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Powerbook

 I have the Powerbook 1400 working, and it only cost $55. Midiman's Macman
port adaptor has a 9v DC input. When powered, it works fine with the 1400.
(Unpowered, not so good). Presumably, you could use a battery pack instead
of a wall wart (a battery eliminator eliminator?) for true portability.

Of course the Cooper-ADAT system seems to loose messages all by itself, but
I can work around that with result checking.

If anyone is interested, once I am done with this project, I can post a
microtutorial on using Max to do Midi Machine Control.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz


Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:44:56 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: Powerbook

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Peter Elsea wrote:

> If anyone is interested, once I am done with this project, I can post a
> microtutorial on using Max to do Midi Machine Control.

Most definitely... and if not on the list, please email it straight to me.

David Crandall


End of MAX Digest - 30 Jan 1997 to 31 Jan 1997