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Subject: MAX Digest - 15 Jan 1997 to 16 Jan
1997To: Recipients of MAX digests 

There are 10 messages totalling 329 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Yikes! 3.5 patch-cord mutiny
  2. piazos and envelopes
  3. Lists of 3 characters
  4. table in MAX3.5
  5. piezos and envelopes
  6. MAX Digest - 14 Jan 1997
  7. MAX Digest - 1/14/97 [piezo triggers]
  8. electronic drums
  9. MAX Digest - 11 Jan 1997 to 12 Jan 1997
 10. pics,pic2

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 03:23:29 -0500
From:    Amanda Pehlke 
Subject: Yikes! 3.5 patch-cord mutiny

Greetings, Esteemed Max'ers--

I have been lurking on this list since 2.5.2, which is a long time to go
without uttering a peep, but I have only just been digging into the program
in a serious way this last summer after a great deal of plotting and
scheming.  I have two Dimension Beams and Buchla's Lightning II wands
waiting
to wave at Max, but for now I'm trying to use PC-1600 faders to do strange
and twisted things with chord progressions.  (I'm a dancer turned midiotte,
by the way, and for a hearty laugh you may peruse my gear list at
ftp://members.aol.com/cikiramidi/)

I joyfully installed 3.5(FAT) into my Quadra 650 (40 meg RAM).  I'm
steadfastly loyal to a streamlined System 7.5-even, which will run "M", Jam
Factory, and above all, "secret about box"  ;-)  --but I keep current on
Opcode software versions.  Thrilled to pieces with the detonate object, I
prepared to resume work on my faders-opus only to discover:

I can't generate a patch cord at all, now, unless "Segmented" is enabled.
If
it's not enabled, the outlet I'm starting from will twitch, but no cord.
OK,
she says optimistically, we'll keep that option enabled for now.  We go
ahead
make a connection.  Oops, we don't want that cord after all.  We select
it--it highlights.  Command-X.  Nothing happens.  Cord won't go away.  We
look at the Edit menu.  Cut and Copy are greyed out.  Paste shows up only if
there's something on the clipboard.  So far, all other Max functions seem to
work OK.

We start various new patchers to experiment.  Max remains serious about
keeping unwanted patch cords, and is only somewhat obliging in the creation
of new ones.  The only way right now to get rid of a cord is to delete one
of
the objects the cord is connected to, and I have some really hairy
constructions.  This is no way to live.

I wonder if this is a consequence of the FAT/ System 7.5 combination?  What
should be my next move?  (Desperate flutter of eyelashes) help, HELP!!
                   _/)
              __/ /     Amanda Pehlke/CIKIRA STUDIO MIDI SUITE
           /       (_______
   ---/              =======)          cikiramidi@aol.com
                        ========)      400 Marisa Hill Drive
                       ======)           Selah, WA, USA 98942
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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:24:34 +0100
From:    Dominic Robson 
Subject: Re: piazos and envelopes

The quickest way I think would be to use a dedicated audio to midi trigger
unit. Both yamaha and akai (ME35T) used to sell units like this that
feature high impedance inputs that can happily handle a variety of mikes
including piezos without preamping and which can be programmed to give
various velocity curves, sensitivities etc.

                        Dominic Robson

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:38:59 +1100
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Lists of 3 characters

Dear all,

Thanks to those who gave me simple and obvious (sometimes I'm just a bit
stupid) solutions to my question regardinf variable additioonal arguments
within the IF object.

Todays question relates to the need to output numbers of 3 characters
regardless of the input.
ie.     2        becomes        002
        50       becomes        050
        127     becomes        127

Any suggestions.  There must be a simple way to do this.  I am sending
numbers out the serial port to Director and will be prfixing a symbol to
identify a package of information, however that symbal must be followed by
three characters.

any suggestions will be very useful.

Thanks,  Garth

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:25:49 +0100
From:    Georg Hajdu 
Subject: table in MAX3.5

Hello!

The Max 3.5 table object seems to be broken. After sending the bang message
to a table only the min and max values are being sent out (with an
occasional intermediary value)--without correlation to the given
probabilities. This occurs with both the PPC and the 68k versions.

This is unfortunate since I have been using this feature a great deal. Did
I miss something?

Otherwise, I really like the new MAX features, especially the window
controls.

Georg

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:51:49 -0600
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: Re: piezos and envelopes

Also, an Alesis D4 drum module. Or if you can find one, a J.L.Cooper
Drumslave.

>
>Easiest way is to plug them into an Octapad or DrumKAT.  Also, I think the
>Roland drum modules let you do this too (DR-4 & DR-5?).  The Octapad may
>require you to pre-amp the piezos.
>
>Eric
>

>
>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Carl Harrisso wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a cheap way to translate the signal coming from piazos
>> placed on percussion instruments into signals usable by midi, eventually
>> to be controlled in Max. I would like to know if anyone has used or has
>> informztion on any piece of hardware (DSP or analog) that might do the
>> trick. The midi part is easily taken care of, it is the signal part that
>> is causing the headache.
>>

Ken Gregory   kgregory@pangea.ca
ph. 204-942-7510                fax 204-942-1555
704-138 Portage Ave. East,  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada  R3B 1G7

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:56:12 -0800
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 14 Jan 1997

        Reply to:   RE>MAX Digest - 14 Jan 1997 to 15 Jan 1997

>Date:    Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:08:39 +0100
>From:    Carl Harrisso 
>Subject: piazos and envelopes

>I am looking for a cheap way to translate the signal coming from piazos
>placed on percussion instruments into signals usable by midi, eventually
>to be controlled in Max.

I have used the Alesis D4 module to translate the signal coming directly
from
a 25 cent piezo disk mounted inside (under the foam) of a Remo practice pad.
Part of the technique to get a good signal depends on how the trigger is
mounted. I used a small ball bearing (about half the size of a BB), glued to
the center of the disk. The polarity was negative from the crystal, positive
from the brass disk. The Remo pads are the closest-to-real feeling trigger
pads. You can do rim shots and mount a separate sensor for a different
sound.
The D4 is flexible enough with its input velocity profiles that I also use
microphones as midi trigger inputs when playing my real kit. The new Alesis
module is the D5 which has a lot of cool sounds but the D4 is still capable
of
a professional performance. It delivers the best drum sound when recording,
better than even when using $200 mikes on live Yamaha drums. I like Max for
computer stuff but usually just use my hardware sequencer for performance
(it
is smaller, no boot time) although the sequences have been generated with
Max.

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:08:58 -0500
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 1/14/97 [piezo triggers]

>From:    DPALKOWSKI@AOL.COM
>Subject: Re: piazos and envelopes
>
>re: piezo to midi
>
>get yourself a basic stamp by Parallax. Costs about $100 & is easily
>programmable and very versatile.  Check out Dan O'Sullivan's web page at
>www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu for more info on it.

I'm almost positive that the Stamp's onboard UART won't handle 31.25k and
have
seen documentation/discussion to that effect.  Of course, you could pick a
slower rate, and come into Max riding on a serial object...

The above restrictions also apply to the StampII, I'm afraid.

> Eric Singer wrote:

>Easiest way is to plug them into an Octapad or DrumKAT.  Also, I think the
>Roland drum modules let you do this too (DR-4 & DR-5?).

This is what i've done too for quickie off the shelf stuff.  Another great
box for this is the Peavey PC-1600 controller, which'll give you CV inputs
as well.
This worked great for a "cyber" talking drum I played around w/ a couple of
years ago.

Anyhow, I've found that IndieVisions, a newsletter published by Pavo
(makers of MidiTools) is really informative when it comes to interfacing
sensors, transducers, acutators, etc in performance applications.  Check
out their web site http://www.pavo.com   .  They also spotlight nifty stuff
like muscle wire, TiNi, etc.

Cheers,

Gian David Bianciardi
tech@idrc.com
gdb@interport.net
____________________________________________________________________________
Project Manager || IDRC || 467 Greenwich St || NYC, NY 10013 || 800.767.8414

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:10:48 +0000
From:    Terry Nigrelli 
Subject: electronic drums

>
> Date:    Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:08:39 +0100
> From:    Carl Harrisso 
> Subject: piazos and envelopes
>
> I am looking for a cheap way to translate the signal coming from piazos
> placed on percussion instruments into signals usable by midi, eventually
> to be controlled in Max. I would like to know if anyone has used or has
> informztion on any piece of hardware (DSP or analog) that might do the
> trick. The midi part is easily taken care of, it is the signal part that
> is causing the headache.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Carl
>
>
> carlfaia@ircam.fr
>

Carl,

I use an Alesis D4 drum module. (about $200 used)  It has 12 trigger
inputs and MIDI output. They now make a D5 which is basically the same
trigger circuts with more and higher quality sounds.

I am also using MAX to control the MIDI output. Visit my home page for
more info on Dauz drum triggers. They are the best.

I hope this helps.

Terry Nigrelli
--
my home page: http://home.earthlink.net/~terryn/

Bay Shore Schools home page: http://www.bayshore.k12.ny.us/

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Date:    Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:50:18 -0800
From:    Werner Funk 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 11 Jan 1997 to 12 Jan 1997

Automatic digest processor wrote:

> Date:    Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:09:30 -0500
> From:    Bob Gluck 
> Subject: Assorted items
>
> 4. I have no experience with "C" programming. Any recommendations of a
best
> reference book for learning. My most immediate need is to learn
mathematical
> functions so that I can make use of the Expr object in Max.

Peter A. Darnell and Philip E. Margolis, C - A Software Engeneering
Approach
Springer-Verlag New York ...

--
cu,
klangwerkstatt Werner Funk
Stuttgart (Germany)

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:04:52 +0000
From:    Andy Hughes 
Subject: pics,pic2

i was wondering if the pics and pic2 objects have been fixed. i working on
a patch for triggering images from PICS frames to a video projector via
midi and these objects would do the job. which leads me on to...

what would be the best way to output images to a video mixing desk (S-VHS
input) from an 8100/100(20" monitor). the monitor card has 2 mini din
connectors but i've lot me manual and i don't know what format it outputs.
also, would i have to have the graphics window (and graphics) fill the
screen and hide the menu bar to get the right output? i'm better at midi
than graphics - honest!

ANY help will be God send.

andy

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