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There are 7 messages totalling 216 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. strangness of the new native "snd" object
  2. Max on NeXT?
  3. Sequencing in Max 3.5
  4. Unsubscribe
  5. Standalone App, User Configurable?
  6. AiffPlayer and AudioMedia cards (2)

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Date:    Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:25:07 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: strangness of the new native "snd" object

The old 68k snd objects announces

        snd: 8 free voices

with MAX 3.0 on my PowerBook 190.

Strange, that the PPC object running under the new MAX3.5 on a PowerBook
5300 and a PowerPC 8100/100 only signalizes to have 4 free voices.

In my understanding, it should be the other way 'round especially when MAX
is running in native mode!

Any explanations?

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                        Dr. Karlheinz Essl
         SAMT - Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
                Bruckner-Konservatorium Linz / Austria
                           essl@ping.at
               http://www.ping.at/users/essl/index.html
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Date:    Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:50:36 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Max on NeXT?

rand wetherwax  wrote:
>    But another thought crossed me mind lately, I vaguely remember my
>early NeXT doddleing and think I remember seeing  MAX on it (first?)...

Max began life as a Mac program.

I emphasize this fact because I have seen one moderately-respected German
musicologist write that the NeXT version came first and was only ported to
MacOS around 1992. This is patent nonsense: Miller was working on Max at
least as early as 1986 (cf. his paper in the ICMC Proceedings of that
year), and a beta version was in use by summer of 1988.

Whether or not some parties at IRCAM might have wished the Mac version to
have been second string (or even not have existed at all) is another
question, which I cannot answer;-)

Actually, the realtime DSP objects developed in the last couple of years
for Max on Unix (more specifically: ISWP) are incredibly cool. But I don't
think the current IRCAM Max (for Unix) will run on NeXT. And the current
Opcode Max certainly won't.

Of course, now that Apple has bought NeXT, perhaps MacOS 8.0 will look a
bit more like NeXTStep than anyone might have expected. But that is all
speculation.

Cheers,

Peter

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Date:    Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:30:06 -0700
From:    Steve Ellison 
Subject: Re: Sequencing in Max 3.5

>Unlike other sequencing objects such as seq, follow, mtr, and timeline,
>however, detonate does not really run on an internal clock of its own.
>Timing and duration information must be recorded into it from elsewhere in
>the patch, and the patch must also use that information to determine the
>rhythm and speed at which notes will be played back from detonate.

Can tracks be clocked independently?

Will detonate start in the middle of a sequence if you start the external
clock with a sufficient offset?

_____________________________________________________
Steve Ellison                ellison@LCSaudio.com
Level Control Systems        http://www.LCSaudio.com

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Date:    Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:33:47 -0700
From:    Medi Mokhtari 
Subject: Unsubscribe

"SIGNOFF"

Medi Mokhtari
medi@asu.edu
http//:www.public.asu.edu/~moktari
Face your darkest fear

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Date:    Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:42:00 EST
From:    Greg Kuhn <0003939581@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: Standalone App, User Configurable?

Standalone App, User configurable?

I'm interested in having the user of a standalone application be able
to configure their own software.  For instance, one user wants two of
_bpatcher #1 and one bpatcher #2, while a second user wants the
reverse, 1 of #1 and 2 of #2.  And, when they open the application and
load a particular setup it recalls their preference.

The only logic I can think of that will do this is as follows:

The top level application uses _project to load a _coll that contains
the users' setup preferences, which then gets a delayed implemention
after the _project has completed loading.

What I don't like here is that the newly created users' setup would
then also have to update its own internal _coll's.  [So the stages
would be: open application; load a project which loads a
_coll and  automatically creates the user's software; then, after a
delay, loads the
rest of the info for the user's software (parameters, patches, etc.)
into internal _coll's.]  If _coll's in general could save their
contents (in a standalone) this all would be a non-issue... the user
could merely save their setup in a selected _coll within their "setup
patch."

Does anyone have any other suggestions on a less cumbersome way to
achieve this kind of configurability?  Are there any objects that can
be saved inside an application, without having to save a seperate
file?
Is there a way to tap into the Preferences system folder thing?

I apologize for not having done much experimentation on this, simply
it takes so much back and forth and basic file management chaos to
figure out what does and does not work in standalones... so I thought
I'd ask... I've been known to miss the boat before (and get
reprimanded for not reading David's posts... which I happen to collect
as if they were bones from dead saints.)

gregory

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Date:    Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:06:43 -0800
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: AiffPlayer and AudioMedia cards

Hi folks,

I have a Mac IIci and a NuBus Digidesign AudioMedia II card, running system
7.1.  I am struggling with the fact that I can't seem to get Sound Manager
3.1 to recognise the AudioMedia card.  Using SoundTools or DeckII (when it
works), all the audio comes out the AudioMedia card, and I'm happy.
However, my happiness would increase greatly if audio from AiffPlayer (Eric
Singer's external for playing aiff files from Max) would come out the
audiomedia card rather than the miserable Mac speaker and it's 8-bit
nastiness.  This seems to be related to the fact that SoundManager doesn't
recognise the AudioMedia card as an input or output device.  Any hints??

Peter Nyboer

Peter Nyboer
UCLA Extension, Visual Arts Lab
pnyboer@ucla.edu
The man's got $2000 dollars worth of clothes on his behind, and only one
shoe on!

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Date:    Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:33:06 -0500
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Re: AiffPlayer and AudioMedia cards

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Peter Nyboer wrote:

> I have a Mac IIci and a NuBus Digidesign AudioMedia II card, running
system
> 7.1.  I am struggling with the fact that I can't seem to get Sound Manager
> 3.1 to recognise the AudioMedia card.  Using SoundTools or DeckII (when it
> works), all the audio comes out the AudioMedia card, and I'm happy.
> However, my happiness would increase greatly if audio from AiffPlayer
(Eric
> Singer's external for playing aiff files from Max) would come out the
> audiomedia card rather than the miserable Mac speaker and it's 8-bit
> nastiness.  This seems to be related to the fact that SoundManager doesn't
> recognise the AudioMedia card as an input or output device.  Any hints??

I think you should be able to get this to work.  Is it an Audiomedia 1 or
2?  I know it works with the Audiomedia 2.  Make sure you have the latest
drivers from Digidesign and have Quicktime installed.  Then you should be
able to select the Digi card in the Output section of the Sound control
panel.

Eric

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*    Media Research Laboratory   *
*       New York University      *
*   email: esinger@cat.nyu.edu   *
*  web: http://cat.nyu.edu/eric  *
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